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[Nexus]

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Will start work on various small graphics to go with this skin next week (morale icons, things like that)

Made by JackHammer, with some help from Murray's knowledge

Edited by Nexus, 07 November 2010 - 07:57 PM.

[Game]

I dunno why people change the default skin only to make it look worse.

The bevelling is really poor, it really removes the sleekness the default skin had. In fact I'd say it was the worst thing about the skin.

Also, half of the items/buttons on the bars don't fit on them properly - especially the sub-menu bar - the items are far too low.

The manager screen titles also look poor - they look like rounded blue shapes, rather than the 'cut-out' effect bars that the skinner was going for - they need a light edge on the bottom and a thin dark line on the inside to achieve the 'cut-out' effect.

Overall, it just looks like it was done in haste.

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Will start work on various small graphics to go with this skin next week (morale icons, things like that)

Says it all really.

Why rush out half a skin? All it does is set in the mind that the skin was poor and unfinished - then no-one will download it later on when it's actually finished.

[LOFC13]

Where do you place it?

EDIT: Doesnt matter

Edited by LOFC13, 07 November 2010 - 08:27 PM.

[Nexus]

Thanks for your c&c Game. I'll pass it on to Jack and see what he wants to do with it.

LOFC, you place it in C://my documents/sports interactive/FM2011/skins. If there isn't a folder, make one.

I think.

Edited by Nexus, 07 November 2010 - 08:28 PM.

[Daniel]

I think it looks pretty good but a bit too dark for my taste and that blue strip on the left of the background seems weird

[JackHammer]

Wonderkid, on 07 November 2010 - 08:04 PM, said:

I dunno why people change the default skin only to make it look worse.

The bevelling is really poor, it really removes the sleekness the default skin had. In fact I'd say it was the worst thing about the skin.

Also, half of the items/buttons on the bars don't fit on them properly - especially the sub-menu bar - the items are far too low.

The manager screen titles also look poor - they look like rounded blue shapes, rather than the 'cut-out' effect bars that the skinner was going for - they need a light edge on the bottom and a thin dark line on the inside to achieve the 'cut-out' effect.

Overall, it just looks like it was done in haste.

Quote

Will start work on various small graphics to go with this skin next week (morale icons, things like that)

Says it all really.

Why rush out half a skin? All it does is set in the mind that the skin was poor and unfinished - then no-one will download it later on when it's actually finished.

Oh well I'm very sorry that my second ever skin isn't up to your clearly high demands despite everyone else liking it
Perhaps you should make one yourself and show me how much better you can do?

Btw Daniel, alternative background

Edited by JackHammer, 07 November 2010 - 08:36 PM.

[Mully]

JackHammer, on 07 November 2010 - 08:34 PM, said:

Wonderkid, on 07 November 2010 - 08:04 PM, said:

I dunno why people change the default skin only to make it look worse.

The bevelling is really poor, it really removes the sleekness the default skin had. In fact I'd say it was the worst thing about the skin.

Also, half of the items/buttons on the bars don't fit on them properly - especially the sub-menu bar - the items are far too low.

The manager screen titles also look poor - they look like rounded blue shapes, rather than the 'cut-out' effect bars that the skinner was going for - they need a light edge on the bottom and a thin dark line on the inside to achieve the 'cut-out' effect.

Overall, it just looks like it was done in haste.

Quote

Will start work on various small graphics to go with this skin next week (morale icons, things like that)

Says it all really.

Why rush out half a skin? All it does is set in the mind that the skin was poor and unfinished - then no-one will download it later on when it's actually finished.

Oh well I'm very sorry that my second ever skin isn't up to your clearly high demands despite everyone else liking it
Perhaps you should make one yourself and show me how much better you can do?

Btw Daniel, alternative background

There wasn't any need for that was there...

We all know how much time you put into things, and Game was giving you constructive criticism.



Its not to my tastes either, my reasons are similar to games, as a designer myself im a harsh critic.

[Game]

JackHammer, on 07 November 2010 - 08:34 PM, said:

Wonderkid, on 07 November 2010 - 08:04 PM, said:

I dunno why people change the default skin only to make it look worse.

The bevelling is really poor, it really removes the sleekness the default skin had. In fact I'd say it was the worst thing about the skin.

Also, half of the items/buttons on the bars don't fit on them properly - especially the sub-menu bar - the items are far too low.

The manager screen titles also look poor - they look like rounded blue shapes, rather than the 'cut-out' effect bars that the skinner was going for - they need a light edge on the bottom and a thin dark line on the inside to achieve the 'cut-out' effect.

Overall, it just looks like it was done in haste.

Quote

Will start work on various small graphics to go with this skin next week (morale icons, things like that)

Says it all really.

Why rush out half a skin? All it does is set in the mind that the skin was poor and unfinished - then no-one will download it later on when it's actually finished.

Oh well I'm very sorry that my second ever skin isn't up to your clearly high demands despite everyone else liking it
Perhaps you should make one yourself and show me how much better you can do?

Btw Daniel, alternative background

Firstly, you're looking at my standard of skinning as you post on this site. As you can see, I'm somewhat of a perfectionist, so maybe my standards are too high for you or your site, but as an interface designer, you should be looking at creating the skin as flawlessly as you can. You haven't achieved that, and you've posted here to get feedback, so that's the feedback I've given you.

Secondly, I don't have the time, nor the desire to make an FM skin; but I can assure you, if I did, it wouldn't be half finished, released in parts or distrubuted with obvious GUI imperfections. I'm not going to lie to you or bullshit you. At the end of the day, if it's your first skin or your tenth skin, it makes no odds. You've released it half finished and you've rushed it for reasons I can only assume are related to FM-View clammoring to have an FM skin for their site.

Whether you like the feedback or not, it's poor in comparison to what you're trying to replace it with - and that's what I've said. I've outlined why it's poor and I've even held back critique so you didn't take it personally.

If you'd prefer to take critique from people who don't create interfaces or have not created interfaces - then that's your call, but what I've said is perfectly valid.

[Nexus]

Your criticism would have more validity if you didn't use it as an excuse to repeatedly have a pop at FM-View. We get it, Game, you dislike the site.

I am hesitant to believe that you would've been quite so harsh had the skin come from someone who wasn't part of FM-View. Yes, I believe you're that petty.

Plus, you phrased it like an utter cunt.

You do make valid points, yes. However, they're also your own opinion.

Edited by Nexus, 07 November 2010 - 09:17 PM.

[Game]

Nexus, on 07 November 2010 - 09:03 PM, said:

Your criticism would have more validity if you didn't use it as an excuse to repeatedly have a pop at FM-View. We get it, Game, you dislike the site.

I am hesitant to believe that you would've been quite so harsh had the skin come from someone who wasn't part of FM-View. Yes, I believe you're that petty.

Plus, you phrased it like an utter cunt.

You do make valid points, yes. However, they're also your own opinion.

I didn't say anything about FM-View - you said all of that. I'm not getting into all the drama you're looking to create, because frankly, I couldn't care less about your site.

You came here for critique, you got it, you didn't like it and then you spat your dummies out.

This site is about providing quality material. You shouldn't come here and post sub-standard material if don't want a poor response to it. At the end of the day, FM-View is now a graphics site and there's an expectation around the community for FM-V to inherit the quality FMGL set the standard for (after all, you have a couple of the FMGL guys at your site). If you don't live up to those standards, then you're going to disappoint people and get the kind of feedback I left.

Like it or not, that skin is of poor quality - which as I just said, is shocking coming from a supposed graphics site. If that's the level of quality FM-V is outputting in terms of graphics, then you might as well give up.

[Nexus]

Wonderkid, on 07 November 2010 - 08:56 PM, said:

JackHammer, on 07 November 2010 - 08:34 PM, said:

Wonderkid, on 07 November 2010 - 08:04 PM, said:

I dunno why people change the default skin only to make it look worse.

The bevelling is really poor, it really removes the sleekness the default skin had. In fact I'd say it was the worst thing about the skin.

Also, half of the items/buttons on the bars don't fit on them properly - especially the sub-menu bar - the items are far too low.

The manager screen titles also look poor - they look like rounded blue shapes, rather than the 'cut-out' effect bars that the skinner was going for - they need a light edge on the bottom and a thin dark line on the inside to achieve the 'cut-out' effect.

Overall, it just looks like it was done in haste.

Quote

Will start work on various small graphics to go with this skin next week (morale icons, things like that)

Says it all really.

Why rush out half a skin? All it does is set in the mind that the skin was poor and unfinished - then no-one will download it later on when it's actually finished.

Oh well I'm very sorry that my second ever skin isn't up to your clearly high demands despite everyone else liking it
Perhaps you should make one yourself and show me how much better you can do?

Btw Daniel, alternative background

Firstly, you're looking at my standard of skinning as you post on this site. As you can see, I'm somewhat of a perfectionist, so maybe my standards are too high for you or your site, but as an interface designer, you should be looking at creating the skin as flawlessly as you can. You haven't achieved that, and you've posted here to get feedback, so that's the feedback I've given you.

Secondly, I don't have the time, nor the desire to make an FM skin; but I can assure you, if I did, it wouldn't be half finished, released in parts or distrubuted with obvious GUI imperfections. I'm not going to lie to you or bullshit you. At the end of the day, if it's your first skin or your tenth skin, it makes no odds. You've released it half finished and you've rushed it for reasons I can only assume are related to FM-View clammoring to have an FM skin for their site.

Whether you like the feedback or not, it's poor in comparison to what you're trying to replace it with - and that's what I've said. I've outlined why it's poor and I've even held back critique so you didn't take it personally.

If you'd prefer to take critique from people who don't create interfaces or have not created interfaces - then that's your call, but what I've said is perfectly valid.

That's an attack on FMV. You don't know that for sure, and you're wrong. It was Jack's own choice to make the skin, noone put him up to it.

I also think that you would've been less harsh had it been by someone from a different site, but that's my personal opinion, which I'm sure you disagree with.

Also, we don't want drama. Your criticism is appreciated, but Jack is at perfect liberty to disagree with it, just like you're at perfect liberty to disagree with the skin.

I just think the way you phrased it was a bit harsh, but eh. Maybe we have been over sensitive, and I can only apologise for that. There is no desire to have an argument about it, that takes more effort than is worth it. I felt that you were being overly critical purely because it was FMV, if I'm wrong, then I apologise.

I'm sure Jack's taken your criticism on board. At least he read it

[Game]

Nexus, on 07 November 2010 - 09:22 PM, said:

Wonderkid, on 07 November 2010 - 08:56 PM, said:

JackHammer, on 07 November 2010 - 08:34 PM, said:

Wonderkid, on 07 November 2010 - 08:04 PM, said:

I dunno why people change the default skin only to make it look worse.

The bevelling is really poor, it really removes the sleekness the default skin had. In fact I'd say it was the worst thing about the skin.

Also, half of the items/buttons on the bars don't fit on them properly - especially the sub-menu bar - the items are far too low.

The manager screen titles also look poor - they look like rounded blue shapes, rather than the 'cut-out' effect bars that the skinner was going for - they need a light edge on the bottom and a thin dark line on the inside to achieve the 'cut-out' effect.

Overall, it just looks like it was done in haste.

Quote

Will start work on various small graphics to go with this skin next week (morale icons, things like that)

Says it all really.

Why rush out half a skin? All it does is set in the mind that the skin was poor and unfinished - then no-one will download it later on when it's actually finished.

Oh well I'm very sorry that my second ever skin isn't up to your clearly high demands despite everyone else liking it
Perhaps you should make one yourself and show me how much better you can do?

Btw Daniel, alternative background

Firstly, you're looking at my standard of skinning as you post on this site. As you can see, I'm somewhat of a perfectionist, so maybe my standards are too high for you or your site, but as an interface designer, you should be looking at creating the skin as flawlessly as you can. You haven't achieved that, and you've posted here to get feedback, so that's the feedback I've given you.

Secondly, I don't have the time, nor the desire to make an FM skin; but I can assure you, if I did, it wouldn't be half finished, released in parts or distrubuted with obvious GUI imperfections. I'm not going to lie to you or bullshit you. At the end of the day, if it's your first skin or your tenth skin, it makes no odds. You've released it half finished and you've rushed it for reasons I can only assume are related to FM-View clammoring to have an FM skin for their site.

Whether you like the feedback or not, it's poor in comparison to what you're trying to replace it with - and that's what I've said. I've outlined why it's poor and I've even held back critique so you didn't take it personally.

If you'd prefer to take critique from people who don't create interfaces or have not created interfaces - then that's your call, but what I've said is perfectly valid.

That's an attack on FMV. You don't know that for sure, and you're wrong. It was Jack's own choice to make the skin, noone put him up to it.

I also think that you would've been less harsh had it been by someone from a different site, but that's my personal opinion, which I'm sure you disagree with.

Also, we don't want drama. Your criticism is appreciated, but Jack is at perfect liberty to disagree with it, just like you're at perfect liberty to disagree with the skin.

I just think the way you phrased it was a bit harsh, but eh. Maybe we have been over sensitive, and I can only apologise for that. There is no desire to have an argument about it, that takes more effort than is worth it. I felt that you were being overly critical purely because it was FMV, if I'm wrong, then I apologise.

I'm sure Jack's taken your criticism on board. At least he read it

1. I gave fair critique. If it had been anyone else saying it, you'd not have piped up with accusations of bias.

2. I replied with a fair argument. People will judge this site, as they will judge your own when it comes to graphics, because both sites have inherited FMGL in some format. If anyone on this staff team tried to put out a skin at that level it wouldn't be allowed. The staff team represent the site - especially when it's an "official" site skin - so obviously the high level ofexpectations that the skin should be good are valid. It's not good, and so my critique is perfectly unoffensive.

[Nexus]

Alright, I admit I was out of order. I apologise. Your criticism did have some element of validity to it, I just stupidly saw it as a "Oh look, Game's got the chance to chop FMV down, so he's gonna take it." I misconstrued it, and made a mistake.

I personally think the skin is quite good. Granted, I don't have FM2011 yet, so am only going from the screenies, but since screenies are what make me dl a skin, eh.

I apologise for blowing this out of proportion. I love you really.

[Saintmat]

Edit: Looks like you got around to it like adults in the end.

As far as the skin goes, I would say it looks OK. I don't see any reason to change from the Default skin though, which is fantastic this year, so I won't be downloading it. Good effort nonetheless.

[Nexus]

I think the main reason people change from the default is it's too light. I actually don't think it is, but each to their own.

[Saintmat]

Nexus, on 07 November 2010 - 09:35 PM, said:

I think the main reason people change from the default is it's too light. I actually don't think it is, but each to their own.

Same here. I find the dark skin simply depressing!

[Nexus]

I usually change to the darker skins, but we'll see.

[Pompey_Dan]

Saintmat, on 07 November 2010 - 09:30 PM, said:

Edit: Looks like you got around to it like adults in the end.

As far as the skin goes, I would say it looks OK. I don't see any reason to change from the Default skin though, which is fantastic this year, so I won't be downloading it. Good effort nonetheless.

Was thinking the same thing, the new default is a real winner. I can't see me changing unless something arrives that really wow me.

Unfortunately it's not this skin guys. I appreciate the effort put in but I don't think that sky-blue/black colouring is at all easy on the eye, add in those tan coloured entries in the news column and you have something that looks a bit... 60 minute makeover!

Edited by Pompey_Dan, 07 November 2010 - 09:45 PM.

[TheIrishMourinho]

Looks alright, will stick with the FM11 dark skin for now.