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[Jackk!]

Something easily attainable or a pointless pain in the arse?



Just beginning my fifth season at PSG and this is how my training looks.

I've got top facilities and paying out about £105,000 a week for the skills of my staff, although this only gets me 4* in Tactics (Mikael Silvestre & Alain Boghossian) and also in Defending (Christophe Delmotte & Frederic Barilaro)

Looking through some articles, for example: This.

That page contains a list of just 20 coaches who are capable of 4.5* training and just 8 can attain 5* in a single training category, although it's not clear whether this list is exhaustive, it does make it seem like a difficult task.

It does provide a formula however, to test whether a scout will give you 5* training:

Adaptability + Determination + Level of Discipline + Motivating = > 60

Accompanied by;

A rating of 18, 19 or 20 in any given training category.

For example;
Alain Boghossian (Assistant Manager)

16 + 14 + 15 + 16 = 61

Accompanied by 17 in tactics = 4* Tactics training.

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Boghossian is someone I consider to be a decent coach, putting aside the fact I signed him for being French.

So should I accept I've done alright with training and it's something I can slowly build on in time, or realistically without trebling my staff wage costs, could I achieve 5 star training across all categories?

[matteh.]

Adaptability is not needed at all to let you know.

Also, each coach should only work on one category at once to achieve their highest rating.

[Jackk!]

matteh., on 25 December 2011 - 08:29 PM, said:

Adaptability is not needed at all to let you know.

Also, each coach should only work on one category at once to achieve their highest rating.

I thought it seemed a little out of place but I've seen it on a couple of articles now.

So do I aim for 40/50 from the other 3 instead then? As I'm not going to get 60/60 from anyone.

Yeah I knew that, I know my GK Coaches all do both (iirc) and Boghossian is the only one spread across two, giving me two 3.5* rather than one 4* in Tactics.
Need to push the board for more staff allowance, but I like to buy French in the staff department anyway and I've been busy bitching about my stadium.

[Mansy]

Bolton 2015/2016

It is something that is definitely attainable - you just have to do your research.

There are some amazing coaches out there that you can get for absolutely nothing. I don't have one staff member (besides the Ass Man) on more than 2k week, and these guys are all pretty amazing.

The formula I usually go by is look for DDM (Determination, Discipline, Motivation) as one block, + the training category as the other block. That should give you a good indication as to how well your coaches will be in each training category.

Looking at your situation - you should definitely try to diversify your coaches to increase the rating. 105,000 a week is a lot of money to be paying for staff so you might as well make the most of them!

Edited by Mansy, 25 December 2011 - 11:04 PM.

[Jackk!]

Mansy, on 25 December 2011 - 11:03 PM, said:

Bolton 2015/2016

It is something that is definitely attainable - you just have to do your research.

There are some amazing coaches out there that you can get for absolutely nothing. I don't have one staff member (besides the Ass Man) on more than 2k week, and these guys are all pretty amazing.

The formula I usually go by is look for DDM (Determination, Discipline, Motivation) as one block, + the training category as the other block. That should give you a good indication as to how well your coaches will be in each training category.

Looking at your situation - you should definitely try to diversify your coaches to increase the rating. 105,000 a week is a lot of money to be paying for staff so you might as well make the most of them!

With regards to staff wages, I basically just looked at finances, staff wages last month and divided by 4, so it includes myself (13k p/week and some physios).

I may look again around christmas time during the break. I think a majority of my staff can stay however, I quite like some of them. Alain Boghossian and Franck Rizzetto have been here since the start and I've also got Kluivert, Silvestre & Thuram as I like having some recent ex-pro's in the coaching staff. Do need to get everything perfect to win ECC though.

[Mansy]

Jackk!, on 25 December 2011 - 11:13 PM, said:

If you want french - look at my coach Isabey. 4.5 for Shooting (Y)

[Jackk!]

Mansy, on 25 December 2011 - 11:33 PM, said:

Jackk!, on 25 December 2011 - 11:13 PM, said:

If you want french - look at my coach Isabey. 4.5 for Shooting (Y)

You've retained a decent British core in your coaching staff, which is something I'm trying to keep at PSG.



That's what my coaches offer. The ones in red are ones signed purely for being ex-footballers. Kluivert is the only one who isn't French and I've only got a single Scout who isn't French.

Should I release the coaches who don't at least offer me 4* and try and replace them?

[Mansy]

Jackk!, on 25 December 2011 - 11:53 PM, said:

You've retained a decent British core in your coaching staff, which is something I'm trying to keep at PSG.


Should I release the coaches who don't at least offer me 4* and try and replace them?

For a team like PSG, and the amount of wages you are spending, it seems reasonable to expect at least 4 Star in each category minimum. Just had a little play around and found a few potential replacements for you:

Coaches I would Replace

Letizi --> Christophe Lollichon
Hourcade --> Robert Duverne
Thuram --> Yanis Cavaglia

That's all I can find right now. They should all be at least 4* from a quick glance.

[Jackk!]

I'll go have a look at the market and do some calculations.

In fairness, most of my staff applied for the job rather than being actively headhunted.

[Mansy]

Jackk!, on 26 December 2011 - 12:12 AM, said:

I'll go have a look at the market and do some calculations.

In fairness, most of my staff applied for the job rather than being actively headhunted.

Yeah I guess that's a more realistic way to approach the whole staff system on FM. I never do job adverts as they take too long and usually shit pops up. I just go find the best free transfers I can. If you want to deviate from the whole french staff thing, highly recommend checking out Brazilian coaches for Ball Control, Attacking and Tactics. All are class.

[Jackk!]

Wasn't for realism, more simplicity. Just pick the best of the 5-10 that apply.

Got a couple of decent staff that way but you usually end up with the shite ones. Don't expect people like Rene Meulesteen turning up on a bmx with a copy of his CV asking if there's any jobs going.

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Going on a complete backroom overhaul.

Expect nothing less from 4* from current coaches and then some world class new ones. Going to do first-team first. Then Youth. Then Physios, and then sort out my scouting team.

Planning to stick within board advisories where possible;

1 Assistant Manager
5 Coaches
2 GK Coaches
3 Fitness Coaches
5 First-Team Coaches

5 Youth Coaches

2 Physio

15 Scouts.

Should be fun.

Edited by Jackk!, 26 December 2011 - 12:32 AM.

[Mansy]

Remember young coaches improve too.

Jonathan Woodgate has improved from 4 star to 5 star in defence coaching in 3 years

[Jackk!]

Mansy, on 26 December 2011 - 12:34 AM, said:

Remember young coaches improve too.

Jonathan Woodgate has improved from 4 star to 5 star in defence coaching in 3 years

I'll bear that in mind, especially with Cedric Carrasso. Retired at 32 and has become brilliant.

So far, I've got this planned out.

Assistant Manager:
1. Alain Boghossian

Coaches:
1. Frederic Barilaro (Tactics, Defending, Ball Control)
2. Mikael Silvestre (Tactics)
3.
4.
5.

GK Coaches:
1. Gilles Bourges (Shot Stopping, Handling)
2.

Fitness Coaches:
1. Gregory Dupont (Strength, Aerobic)
2. Pierre Barrieu (Strength, Aerobic)
3.

First-Team Coaches:
1. Stephane Adam (Shooting, Ball Control)
2. Frederic Nee (Attacking)
3.
4.
5.

Youth Coaches:
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.


I'm hoping I can convince Cedric Carrasso to change his job from Coach to GK Coach as he offers 4.5* in Shot Stopping & Handling as well as tactics, which I already have Mikael Silvestre for.

My plan hinges on two things;

1. Getting coaches to effectively specialise in an area so they're concentrating on one thing each. For example, Mikael Silvestre with tactics.
2. A First-Team Coach for each category (e.g. Attacking, Defending, Tactics, etc.) So first-team will be getting high quality training in each section.

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With regards to searching for staff;

Should I search for a minimum of 17 in Motivating, Discipline and Determination?

And with coaching attributes, if he's got 20 in Attacking, do the others matter a lot?

[Mansy]

The formula's are on the Internet somewhere I just don't like to look at them too often

The most important thing is the primary attribute (Attacking). However the Motivating, Discipline and Determination can impact on whether a Coach goes from 4 -> 4.5 -> 5.

You'll be hard pressed to find any coaches in the world with those stats. I do my searches with Discipline, Motivating, Determination, and the Primary Attribute you are training. Then I tick 3/4 and gradually increase the attributes to narrow the field down.

[Jackk!]

Mansy, on 26 December 2011 - 01:01 AM, said:

The formula's are on the Internet somewhere I just don't like to look at them too often

The most important thing is the primary attribute (Attacking). However the Motivating, Discipline and Determination can impact on whether a Coach goes from 4 -> 4.5 -> 5.

You'll be hard pressed to find any coaches in the world with those stats. I do my searches with Discipline, Motivating, Determination, and the Primary Attribute you are training. Then I tick 3/4 and gradually increase the attributes to narrow the field down.

What I'm doing is searching for staff with all 3 of Determination, Discipline and Motivation over 16.

Then adding the total of the 3 to the their strongest training category. So the overall maximum total is 80. So anyone getting above 70 is pretty much in with a chance of the job.

Brian McClair has snuck in with a 71. Although he'd probably only come as a First-Team Coach and I've already got Frederic Nee 'specialising' in Attacking.

Some Italian also got 71, but he was also a First-Team Coach and his strongest area was Fitness, so depends on my Fitness Coaches already there.

Pedro Jaro, at Racing, scored an impressive 74, as a Goalkeeper coach, so I'll definitely offer him a contract when it comes to the overhaul.

[Jackk!]

Does 20 for Mental coaching do anything?

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Expanded my search to including '15' for Determination, Motivation and Discipline. My pool of staff has increased quite a lot and includes some decent coaches too.

Edited by Jackk!, 26 December 2011 - 01:49 AM.

[Mansy]

I'm pretty sure Mental Attribute is used in determining Ball Control and Defence

[Jackk!]

Okay mate, I'll bear that in mind.

Assessing my current staff. Anyone who comes in at under 65 is straight out the door (excluding Alain Boghossian for now..)

[CFCJames]

Download this Coach Calculator, it will do all the formulas for you.

Works the same for '12 even though it is labeled '11.

Edited by CFCJames, 26 December 2011 - 02:25 AM.

[Jackk!]

CFCJames, on 26 December 2011 - 02:25 AM, said:

Download this Coach Calculator, it will do all the formulas for you.

Works the same for '12 even though it is labeled '11.

Quite long putting in all the attributes and seems like an easy way out.